- Agree with you guys. Thank you for sharing. We have to stand united. But lets be prepared and encourage diverse opinions and course of action with one goal, one objective. For that we to define our objective clearly. 1) insist on orginal quantum promised by LECRUZ.( No third party, Wijaya group or otherwise.) Or pay our capital with interest rate in the same quantum they promised, depending on the time frame they take to pay us; even if they have to liquidate their company! This time we believe no website unilateral anouncements, but legal agreement with our lawyers we collectively hire (cost effective way). 2) Start your local network for each area.eg Penang Island, Seberang Jaya, Sungai Petani and Kulim,Ipoh,KL, Klang,JB ect.PLEASE CALL YOUR UP-LINE LEADERS. The so-called LEADERS should share data of e-mail and handphone numbers of investors in areas they sponsor to prove they are with us. They can compile e- mail address by 'location wise' and e mail to down lines. This will facitate formation of groups, for meaningful negotiation with LECRUZ in Macau, with 3 representatives from each location with legal advisors present.This time we must have legal document signed enmass for all represented. We will have to get local lawyers in Macau to do the paper work and stamping. If we share out the legal cost it will be economical. Those who refuse to joint will have depend on the mercy of LECRUZ website for their returns. 3) Can somebody post the copy of MEMORANDUM submited to #001 here for all to read. 4) We need to back up this blog, just in case; but best communicate thru this blog, for the sake of coherence.
- October 20, 2009 9:56 AM
Tuesday, October 20, 2009
Reply : Anonymous12
Reply : Anonymous11
- Fishmonger took us for a ride! I don't think the drop in CP rates has anything to do with the investment in Indonesia. Instead, it was a well executed scam, introduce high returns, give out impressive gifts, free tours etc. Then, announce a less than attractive scheme about two months in advance and pretend to be 'kind' to 'old time investors' by giving a one month grace (till Sept 30) to 'mop up' all liquid cash and bang!, 'close' the scheme. All these hype about a white knight trying to rescue is just that, hype! Legal option? We got to play our cards right and move in a single voice.
- October 20, 2009 6:04 AM
Reply : Anonymous10
- This is the latest suspicious event which has just unfolded. The CP withdrawal for cash is not being TT-ed from Macau or Hong Kong. Do you want to know from where the money is sent from? ha-ha! It is being deposited from an ATM in a small Public Bank branch in Johor Jaya in Johor!! How can an international company with headquarter in Canada and operations in Macau be sending money thru a local bank in Johor? Someone in this country is running this scam business! Furthermore today currency exhange rate for 2HKD is RM0.870830. The cash sent is equivalent exactly to 87 cents only. There is no decimal point in the cash withdrawal and no bank charges. This is how the scam is discovered! Whatever committee being set-up to discuss with Lecruz management or VJ is just another ploy to fool investors. It is our local people using Lecruz for cheating..........
Monday, October 19, 2009
Reply :19th Oct.2009
Even if they fulfilled your request as suggested by Road Warrior 1CP=5HKD then ask you to sign an agreement and then they close shop in 3 months time.By then you cannot go after Lecruz anymore!
JFKY is right!That is what we supposed to do.(Please refer to JFKY comment below).
LAT
- We understand from some "leaders" of this scheme(scam), that Mr #001 has called for a meeting of "leaders" (that he appointed) to meet at Penang island at 3pm-20/10/09,at a location that will be informed only at 2pm. This are the very people,pioneer investors,our helpless uplines, who all are (without exception)almost bankrupt due to September top-up package and stockist programme in the same month.(These "leader" are different from original 8 recruiters who invest only once, and profited thereby.) How can these victims speak for the whole group? How sure are we that will not be bought over due their predicament? They can't negotiate objectively from the point of strength for the whole group. Unless we Penang,Ipoh,KL, JB investors organise regionally. Each conduct our own meetings. Contribute say, RM500/= each investors, hire a legal advisor for each region. Then we can send our representatives with legal advisor to such meetings to negotiate on our behalf to Mr #001; later to Macau,to negotiate with LECRUZ, in the presence Mr #001 of course. Once our investment money is transfered to him as final destination before Macau, he has to remain accountable till we find a solution. This way we can come to amicable settlement, with returns as ORIGINALLY PROMISED BY LECRUZ or A REFUND WITH EQUIVALLENT INTEREST RATE as they originally promised. If fail then the next alternative. The so-called "leaders" appointed by Mr #001, are not our representatives. These upline investors should actually help organise regional grouping of investors,and let everybody take charge of our investment.This is because the uplines have all the contact datas. Otherwise, downline investors are likely to think these "leaders" as part of the scam later. You can't blame them. We see this as a part of scam strategy to pass the buck to the innocent upline investors later. LEADER is a misnomer here, LEADING-VICTIMS is more appropriate.(a reluctant "leader")
- October 19, 2009 10:34 AM
- JFKY said...
- from the way i see it, it appears that we are being led blindly and attentions being diverted to VJ Group. With the above said meeting on 20th Oct 09 by Mr#001, and the "leaders" he appointed, I can't help but wonder if those appointed by Mr#001 are qualified to speak on all our behalf or scapegoats? I propose that we should focus our dealings with lecruz directly. The objectives: 1. To have Lecruz stick to the old referral plan payout. 2. Refund the money which was invested into lecruz to all the members which sign up in agreement with the old referral plan if they are not going to pay accordingly. So now the question is: 1. Who is capable to speak on our behalf to negotiate with lecruz? 2. We need to be able to get in contact with all members including all of those in other regions to align our objectives. 3. A few representatives acknowledged by all members from each region to go to lecruz to negotiate. 4. Somebody from the legal field to provide input on the situation and actions that can be taken. Please add in to my comments for extra inputs. We need to compile a list of our objectives, what can be done and what needs to be done, then present to all members. It is important that all are aware of the situation, everybody's goal is aligned, and they agree to the actions planned to be taken.
- October 19, 2009 4:38 PM
- Road_Warrior said...
- There are few options remaining. 1. Give Wijaya Group 2 months to come up with a win-win plan...? 2. In the meantime, we pool all our resources to provide Wijaya group proposals that are acceptable to both parties. 3. Review result of memorandum and take follow-up action. This can run concurrently with item 1.
- October 19, 2009 6:36 PM
- Anonymous8 said...
- YES I AGREE with "reluctant leader". LECRUZ SHOULD stick to original promised return or refund our money immediately with interest. Of course present "LEADERS" are victims themselves. They were told to explain to downlines therefore, acting as buffer to 8 Top Recruiters appointed by Lecruz. Upline leaders can only repeat what they are being told by Mr 001. Negotiation should be done by our chosen representatives with legal counsels assisting; not as what is happening till now. TIME TO CHANGE! 1) They are making us fools to fund Mr.VJ's Group, for returns below our capital. This is what this scam is all about. 2) LECRUZ should not transfer the money to third party, (commercial crime; initiate legal action in Macau). This facilitates the scam. 3)If Fishmonger and VJ treaten LECRUZ will absorb our investment in their account, challenge them to do it! That is illegal. Another commercial crime!
- October 19, 2009 6:41 PM
- Road Warrior said...
- The HKD2 should be revised immediately. You don't have to wait until 2 months to do that. No matter how high the % is raised, the HKD2 is the deciding factor on the dividents rate. Fishmonger and VJ Group must give priority and work on this immediately and come out with a solution by end of this month. I propose the exchange rate for CPs to be revised to 5HKD.
- October 19, 2009 6:42 PM
- Alagan said...
- Hi leaders, its high time that you people have another meeting with VJ Group and Lecruz reps in Macau. Then come up with solid answers / solutions for investers or what action to take next. Currently we are all left in limbo... and we find it difficult to answer our downline investers. God knows what can happen in the next 2 to 3 months?
- October 19, 2009 6:50 PM
- Anonymous9 said...
- I'm one of the investor of this plan. As what i was told, the reason behind the downfall of the plan is that the company had invested in a casino in Indonesia. Alot of money had been dumped into it which cause the company to have insufficient fund to pay to their investor. One thing that i don't understand about the payout is that it divided into CP and REP. Can somebody explain to me what is REP? Someone told me that REP is the share dividen of the Indonesia Casino that gonna open next year. Is it true? If anybody is planning to go to macau this month, please do keep us update about the situation of the company ie. are they going to close down?
- October 19, 2009 8:28 PM
Sunday, October 18, 2009
Reply : Anonymous 6
- As far as I am aware of the situation, this whole MLM deal also involves investors from other countries. Have any of us here managed to get in touch with them to see what they are planning on as well? Anonymous5 have a very good point there. Right now how can we negotiate with lecruz directly instead of going through the leaders & VJ? The leaders and VJ may be trying to help us, but with so many scams around these days, its not easy to trust them, not after all these had happened. If we know other investors from other regions, we can appoint one from our side and alliance with them and go to lecruz to negotiate.
Reply : Anonymous5
- I think that LECRUZ is cannot be labeled a scam yet!! LECRUZ is doing it professionally and legally. They "have" handed it over to Wijaya Group. The group is going to come up with written agreement which the investors have to sign. "Investors don't have a choice". But going by the protest, they might make a very good offer. Once signed by investors LECRUZ is no more legally responsible for our investment. That is when all our investment are going to get stuck. We must understand Lecruz is a legitimate junket business registed in Macau. The counterpart in Canada whose registration document shown on Lecruz.com website, is reported to be a dormant business; unlike Macau operations. Therefore, any litigation filed against Canada operations going to give limited returns. Any actions against Lecruz has to be focused on its Macau business. Being a junket for casinos, need a large bank deposit of several hundred million dollars in addition to impeccable reputation. Therefore,if we insist that LECRUZ, remains responsible for our investment and stop negotiating ANY deal with Wijaya Group; there is a good possiblity we will win. If LECRUZ says, it doesn't want to run the MLM, it CANNOT simply absorb all our money freely into its account. It is ILLEGAL. Please understand, Junket business in Macau is regulated strickly by Macau authorities. That is why the team of MLM leaders were going around the country explaining the new Wijaya Deal. It is a trap once we sign and accept it. Lecruz, is a multimillion dollar business entity whereas Wijaya is an individual who had been working for Lecruz. Therefore, although our Lecruz investment looks gone; it is not gone until we had signed the new deal with Mr. Wijaya or any third party. Then this will become a scam, unwinable in any court. Therefore,don't be rattled by present scenario of low returns. It is a psychological war. 1) Please insist to all the MLM leaders that we hold LECRUZ RESPONSIBLE FOR ACCEPTING OUR INVESTMENT THRU THEIR LOCAL AGENT IN MALAYSIA.The money trail is traceable. 2)If Lecruz doesn't want to run MLM, IT SHOULD PAY THE PROMISED AMOUNT NEVERTHELESS. It is accountable for the promises made in the presentations by the local agents in Malaysia. 3) If it fail to do so, the ensuing mass police report, with media publicity, will damage its business prospects in the region (Malaysia & Singapore included). That will be more damaging than any litigation. Refunding the investors is going to be least costly outlet for LECRUZ. They will take a less damaging path! (ex-makkal sakthi)
- October 18, 2009 2:56 AM
Reply :Anonymous4
LAT
- Hundreds of investors begining from KL, had signed a memorandum to LECRUZ and forwarded to Fishmonger in person at end of the meeting in public. This mass signatature campaign by investors point the accountablity/liablity to where it belongs. The copy of the MEMORANDUM has been circulated widely. If you don't have it, please make a request to us at chaitanlee@yahoo.com. Happy to forward to you. We don't know who wrote it, but forwarded to us by some other investors. We suggest get your downline to mass sign and to give one PHOTOCOPY OF THE SIGNED MEMORANDUM to each signatoty and the original goes to Fishmonger in person!
- October 17, 2009 11:59 PM
Saturday, October 17, 2009
Reply : Anonymous3
- Before investors heading to Macau or even Canada,do you know the entity status of Lecruz in Canada. It was registered in Canada using residence address . Do you guys check whether Lecruz haws legal entity in Canada. Lecruz is not Multi-Million business group as claimed in the website . If you noticed , their corporate info has been removed from website. If you do the business search , there is no business by the name of Lecruz running the multimillion entertainment and tour business Fishmonger partnered with VJ is part of the syndicate out to scam fellow Malaysians . If we did not get any form of confirmation by month end , we should go after fishermonger and VJ. By then , we should also report to Bukit Aman , Interpool , Indonesia and Macau authorities. Lecruz claimed to run junket business but they are even a junket in Venetian ???
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