Lecruz Ad-hoc committee
I realised that many of us have invested our hard earn money on Lecruz and hoping for a better return. I'm not different from any of you that have dump in large sum of money.Recently the unforeseen changes on the return of investment have left all of us into frustration and disappointment. The Top-up plan that came out on September seems like a trap that have caught us by surprised. Almost all of us are not wiling to accept the new changes and personally I do feel that it is Lecruz responsibility to keep up to their promises . No matter what happens let s speak together as one voice,there is nothing much I can do alone, there is nothing anyone of us can do alone but in unity, one voice, thousands of us we can make our voices heard esp. in Macau. Together we can make an impact.
Therefore I would appreciate to hear from as many of you as possible. Keep in touch with each other on the latest updates. Do comment on this blog and email us at :lecruzpenang@gmail.com
As one of the investors, I also need some clarification on the recent announcements.
ReplyDeleteFrom my understanding, lecruz is not going to pay in full as stated in the previous plan for members who signed up before September 09?
It says 1 CP = HKD 2.00 and 1 REP = 0.06 HKD, which means CP now has lower value due to the currency it is pegged to? It was measured in value close to 1 USD
For a member who signed up as silver package in feb 2009, he should get 11% of 5000CP in October which is 550CP. However the member can only get 1% of CP and 10% of REP which cash value is lower?
Please can somebody help clarify?
Are we investors getting back what we are investing as promised earlier?
can someone from the legal profession provide inputs on how to take legal action?
ReplyDeleteIs it possible to take legal action?
ReplyDeleteDo we have proper documentations to sort this out?
It is best to negotiate, to at least give us our returns based on the figures stated in their plan given.
It is only fair that investors who had invested based on the old plan been given back their fair share.
Just got to know a shocking fact!! The reasons given by the leaders that Le Cruz members asking lots of questions and interrupted the casino business actually not a real reason.
ReplyDeleteThe leaders knew or perhaps only OH HAW LEONG knew what will happen next. That explained why Oh Haw Leong doesn't want to continue earning the extra % of money as a stokist and release his stokist status to others. Why he doesn't wants to earn somemore as main stokist?
Because he knew ! He knew something going to happen or rather said his syndicate is going to close this program.
Now if you ask him, he will tell you : I'm not going to involve in it ! (because he is now already a multi-millionaire!!)
Sue that OH HAW LEONG !
Suck ! They changed new plan to pull in more sales. Who will gain the most ? OH HAW LEONG (#001)
Till recent I know that he was in mobile wallet. He lured his people to put more money till the "disaster" happened in April that year. Actually, he already known in Feb. Damn this guy ! Don't care his people even friends. In his mind only $$$ !
ReplyDeleteAsked Alan about the new plan, he said will only be known after 2-3 months time. How come so long to decide? Are they now want to push / drag?
After pondering about it, I still think that it is not right that LeCruz dismiss all this and pass it on to Wijaya Group.
ReplyDeleteThey are not closing the business, and they are still going on making profit. If they want to stop MLM business, then return the money to the investors, and go back to their traditional ways.
Its unethical to take the money, then stop the whole program and give back peanuts to the investors. This is what we call a SCAM.
seriously, things look bleak for me.
I believe other investors as well.
Some could have their whole life ruin ahead of them...
When I think about it, Lecruz not making profit is bullshit!, Sept 09 alone the investment should be above tenths of Mil. Sept. new plan was a trap, Sept. top-up also another trap! Wijaya taking over and setting up a new company maybe another trap. After we accepted and sign the agreement then thats it, we cannot sue Lecruz anymore!Coz' we agree liau ma! If those leaders sincerely wanted to help out, then they should come out with something solid to regain back our confident not only word of mouth..telling us to wait and see???I heard they have meeting everyday but till now we still end up less than 10% of what we should be getting.You create havoc- they blame on you! You wait another 3 months , company close shop - they also can blame on you!!!Fark! What can we do now ???I hope other leaders must also follow like ah leong fork out 2mil to adsorb the CP , to lighten the burden of the downline and also looks better after making tons of money. right?
ReplyDeleteHas anybody brought up to the leaders to get back to lecruz and negotiate of returning all the investment because they stopped the program? Instead of having Wijaya venturing out into another business and get all investors blindly hoping?
ReplyDeleteHundreds of investors begining from KL, had signed a memorandum to LECRUZ and forwarded to Mr Oh Haw Leong in person at end of the meeting in public.
ReplyDeleteThis mass signatature campaign by investors point the accountablity/liablity to where it belongs. The copy of the MEMORANDUM has been circulated widely. If you don't have it, please make a request to us at chaitanlee@yahoo.com. Happy to forward to you. We don't know who wrote it, but forwarded to us by some other investors.
We suggest get your downline to mass sign and to give one PHOTOCOPY OF THE SIGNED MEMORANDUM to each signatoty and the original goes to Mr OH HAW LEONG in person!
I think that LECRUZ is cannot be labeled a scam yet!! LECRUZ is doing it professionally and legally. They "have" handed it over to Wijaya Group. The group is going to come up with written agreement which the investors have to sign. "Investors don't have a choice". But going by the protest, they might make a very good offer. Once signed by investors LECRUZ is no more legally responsible for our investment. That is when all our investment are going to get stuck.
ReplyDeleteWe must understand Lecruz is a legitimate junket business registed in Macau. The counterpart in Canada whose registration document shown on Lecruz.com website, is reported to be a dormant business; unlike Macau operations. Therefore, any litigation filed against Canada operations going to give limited returns. Any actions against Lecruz has to be focused on its Macau business.
Being a junket for casinos, need a large bank deposit of several hundred million dollars in addition to impeccable reputation.
Therefore,if we insist that LECRUZ, remains responsible for our investment and stop negotiating ANY deal with Wijaya Group; there is a good possiblity we will win.
If LECRUZ says, it doesn't want to run the MLM, it CANNOT simply absorb all our money freely into its account. It is ILLEGAL. Please understand, Junket business in Macau is regulated strickly by Macau authorities.
That is why the team of MLM leaders were going around the country explaining the new Wijaya Deal. It is a trap once we sign and accept it. Lecruz, is a multimillion dollar business entity whereas Wijaya is an individual who had been working for Lecruz.
Therefore, although our Lecruz investment looks gone; it is not gone until we had signed the new deal with Mr. Wijaya or any third party. Then this will become a scam, unwinable in any court.
Therefore,don't be rattled by present scenario of low returns. It is a psychological war.
1) Please insist to all the MLM leaders that we hold LECRUZ RESPONSIBLE FOR ACCEPTING OUR INVESTMENT THRU THEIR LOCAL AGENT IN MALAYSIA.The money trail is traceable.
2)If Lecruz doesn't want to run MLM, IT SHOULD PAY THE PROMISED AMOUNT NEVERTHELESS. It is accountable for the promises made in the presentations by the local agents in Malaysia.
3) If it fail to do so, the ensuing mass police report, with media publicity, will damage its business prospects in the region (Malaysia & Singapore included). That will be more damaging than any litigation. Refunding the investors is going to be least costly outlet for LECRUZ. They will take a less damaging path! (ex-makkal sakthi)
We understand from some "leaders" of this scheme(scam), that Mr #001 has called for a meeting of "leaders" (that he appointed) to meet at Penang island at 3pm-20/10/09,at a location that will be informed only at 2pm. This are the very people,pioneer investors,our helpless uplines, who all are (without exception)almost bankrupt due to September top-up package and stockist programme in the same month.(These "leader" are different from original 8 recruiters who invest only once, and profited thereby.)
ReplyDeleteHow can these victims speak for the whole group? How sure are we that will not be bought over due their predicament? They can't negotiate objectively from the point of strength for the whole group.
Unless we Penang,Ipoh,KL, JB investors organise regionally. Each conduct our own meetings. Contribute say, RM500/= each investors, hire a legal advisor for each region. Then we can send our representatives with legal advisor to such meetings to negotiate on our behalf to Mr #001; later to Macau,to negotiate with LECRUZ, in the presence Mr #001 of course. Once our investment money is transfered to him as final destination before Macau, he has to remain accountable till we find a solution. This way we can come to amicable settlement, with returns as ORIGINALLY PROMISED BY LECRUZ or A REFUND WITH EQUIVALLENT INTEREST RATE as they originally promised. If fail then the next alternative.
The so-called "leaders" appointed by Mr #001, are not our representatives. These upline investors should actually help organise regional grouping of investors,and let everybody take charge of our investment.This is because the uplines have all the contact datas. Otherwise, downline investors are likely to think these "leaders" as part of the scam later. You can't blame them. We see this as a part of scam strategy to pass the buck to the innocent upline investors later. LEADER is a misnomer here, LEADING-VICTIMS is more appropriate.(a reluctant "leader")
from the way i see it, it appears that we are being led blindly and attentions being diverted to VJ Group.
ReplyDeleteWith the above said meeting on 20th Oct 09 by Mr#001, and the "leaders" he appointed, I can't help but wonder if those appointed by Mr#001 are qualified to speak on all our behalf or scapegoats?
I propose that we should focus our dealings with lecruz directly.
The objectives:
1. To have Lecruz stick to the old referral plan payout.
2. Refund the money which was invested into lecruz to all the members which sign up in agreement with the old referral plan if they are not going to pay accordingly.
So now the question is:
1. Who is capable to speak on our behalf to negotiate with lecruz?
2. We need to be able to get in contact with all members including all of those in other regions to align our objectives.
3. A few representatives acknowledged by all members from each region to go to lecruz to negotiate.
4. Somebody from the legal field to provide input on the situation and actions that can be taken.
Please add in to my comments for extra inputs.
We need to compile a list of our objectives, what can be done and what needs to be done, then present to all members.
It is important that all are aware of the situation, everybody's goal is aligned, and they agree to the actions planned to be taken.
There are few options remaining.
ReplyDelete1. Give Wijaya Group 2 months to come up with a win-win plan...?
2. In the meantime, we pool all our resources to provide Wijaya group proposals that are acceptable to both parties.
3. Review result of memorandum and take follow-up action. This can run concurrently with item 1.
YES I AGREE with "reluctant leader". LECRUZ SHOULD stick to original promised return or refund our money immediately with interest. Of course present "LEADERS" are victims themselves. They were told to explain to downlines therefore, acting as buffer to 8 Top Recruiters appointed by Lecruz. Upline leaders can only repeat what they are being told by Mr Oh Haw Leong. Negotiation should be done by our chosen representatives with legal counsels assisting; not as what is happening till now. TIME TO CHANGE!
ReplyDelete1) They are making us fools to fund Mr.Wijaya's Group, for returns below our capital. This is what this scam is all about.
2) LECRUZ should not transfer the money to third party, (commercial crime; initiate legal action in Macau). This facilitates the scam.
3)If Oh Haw Leong and Wijaya treaten LECRUZ will absorb our investment in their account, challenge them to do it! That is illegal. Another commercial crime!
The HKD2 should be revised immediately. You don't have to wait until 2 months to do that.
ReplyDeleteNo matter how high the % is raised, the HKD2 is the deciding factor on the dividents rate.
Haw Leong and Wijaya Group must give priority and work on this immediately and come out with a solution by end of this month.
I propose the exchange rate for CPs to be revised to 5HKD.
Hi leaders, its high time that you people have another meeting with Wijaya Group and Lecruz reps in Macau. Then come up with solid answers / solutions for investers or what action to take next. Currently we are all left in limbo... and we find it difficult to answer our downline investers. God knows what can happen in the next 2 to 3 months?
ReplyDeleteI'm one of the investor of this plan. As what i was told, the reason behind the downfall of the plan is that the company had invested in a casino in Indonesia. Alot of money had been dumped into it which cause the company to have insufficient fund to pay to their investor. One thing that i don't understand about the payout is that it divided into CP and REP. Can somebody explain to me what is REP? Someone told me that REP is the share dividen of the Indonesia Casino that gonna open next year. Is it true? If anybody is planning to go to macau this month, please do keep us update about the situation of the company ie. are they going to close down?
ReplyDeleteFishmonger took us for a ride!
ReplyDeleteI don't think the drop in CP rates has anything to do with the investment in Indonesia. Instead, it was a well executed scam, introduce high returns, give out impressive gifts, free tours etc. Then, announce a less than attractive scheme about two months in advance and pretend to be 'kind' to 'old time investors' by giving a one month grace (till Sept 30) to 'mop up' all liquid cash and bang!, 'close' the scheme.
All these hype about a white knight trying to rescue is just that, hype!
Legal option? We got to play our cards right and move in a single voice.
Agree with you guys. Thank you for sharing. We have to stand united. But lets be prepared and encourage diverse opinions and course of action with one goal, one objective.
ReplyDeleteFor that we to define our objective clearly.
1) insist on orginal quantum promised by LECRUZ.( No third party, Wijaya group or otherwise.) Or pay our capital with interest rate in the same quantum they promised, depending on the time frame they take to pay us; even if they have to liquidate their company! This time we believe no website unilateral anouncements, but legal agreement with our lawyers we collectively hire (cost effective way).
2) Start your local network for each area.eg Penang Island, Seberang Jaya, Sungai Petani and Kulim,Ipoh,KL, Klang,JB ect.PLEASE CALL YOUR UP-LINE LEADERS. The so-called LEADERS should share data of e-mail and handphone numbers of investors in areas they sponsor to prove they are with us. They can compile e- mail address by 'location wise' and e mail to down lines. This will facitate formation of groups, for meaningful negotiation with LECRUZ in Macau, with 3 representatives from each location with legal advisors present.This time we must have legal document signed enmass for all represented. We will have to get local lawyers in Macau to do the paper work and stamping. If we share out the legal cost it will be economical. Those who refuse to joint will have depend on the mercy of LECRUZ website for their returns.
3) Can somebody post the copy of MEMORANDUM submited to #001 here for all to read.
4) We need to back up this blog, just in case; but best communicate thru this blog, for the sake of coherence.
Yes we should start our local network to show that we investor stay united so that we fight for our money for return from Le cruez.We must ask Oh Haw Leong to explain to us what accualy happen. What happen to our money.As i know the money was send to OH Haw Leong , from him where the money goes he should answer to our questions.If there is no solution we must lodge police report against Oh Haw Leong and Le Cruez
ReplyDeletei would recomend the entire team before heading to macau get the earlier memorandum signed up by all the investors as one unity /voice and to speak up all the issues mention in the latest meeting held on 20/10/2009 at penang and to be given them a lead time of 1 week for lecruz to come out with a win-win solution for both parties and strictly to refund back all the August & September investment failing with further delay i feel all of us to take next step to go ahead as for the memorandum issued earlier.
ReplyDeleteSo far is there any updates on what is going on?
ReplyDeleteIt is almost 2 weeks since they last provide us with an update about the new plan.
hi, Nice to hear some guys are taking some brainstorming moves to handle the new unvaluable package redemption that will never ever get back even our capital.Im really going through a hard time since this was announced.I have invested a large amount and now I cant even recover.The next I think is to commit suicide.All my hard earn money has lost in the breeze. Im pretty sure alot of families are now suffering and having a tough time financially. God, when can we see your grace? Guys, getting a legal authority to handle this problem will might benefit us and very important that no one gets trapped in such scam future.My humble request if anybody is in the legal firm who has invested,pls come forward and give your ides how to move with this matter.Lecruz shouldn't ever just sweep our money of just like that and hand it over to someone else to run the show.When initial part they said MLM was the best marketing strategy and now they say MLM is a flop.If they think they cant cope,return back our capital. It is later up to us whether we want to invest with the other group or not.Not just throwing us out with all our money inside. I had a friend who already resigned job and now he is totally lost all out.Cant imagine how is he now.he even doesnt have the money for the wife who needs a cessarean end of this month....what a devastating time.Buddhist believe in law of KARMA--every action has has an equal reaction.For the damage they have done they have to pay for it.we investors should stay united and as said previously by other investors,get a immediate commitee from our investors with legal advisors to have a pleasant table talk with Lecruz and get things right back.(at least our capital back). Please.Please.Please.We need to be united.Please get more peolple to response to this call. Wake up dear investors. Time is running short.if we dont do it now,never ever forever.
ReplyDeleteThey had a meeting on 20.10.2009 what was the outcome. Anyupdate ?
ReplyDeleteI like you all invested way back in Feb and up until the announcement I have never realise that it would close shop so soon. From US2.90 to HK2.00 and we are ask to be patient , give him a chance , we are all investor and so on. As I see those leders are no batter then Wijaya or Lecruz it is a scam . Wijaya is a front as back in Feb when we went to Macau Wijaya made an apperance now he is the boss. I think this wijaya and some of our Fellow Malaysian cook up this scam to take us. There were a few Fellow Malaysian which show up for our informal meeting at Venatian - 12 o clock Midnight so I thought this is still in its infancy maybe next time batter presentation. I have since erase the video I hope I can find it back and post it here for all to see. Now the 24 hero which went to Macau and came back with nothing now how long is this going to stand? They give this flimsy excuse that because of their scam it would compromise their bigger scam as an excuse to close shop , my son can script it batter what a load of rubbish. Maybe it would be batter it we go hire a private eye and dig up those behind this scam and decide what to collective do with them.
ReplyDeleteBeing an investor, I feel this kind of activities should not be allowed to flourish. I bet there must be some people with some relevant documents which can link the people by sniffing them via the bank transactions made. I believe we should move faster. But, anything official involves making police reports, but some strong evidence must be presented first. Anyone who does these sort of cheating is definitely out of their conscience and concern for people. If there is no positive signs to recover the hard earned money, we just have to sit back and pray with tears. Its our own folly and greed as well. Lets pray together that things sort out fast and reach a win win situation.
ReplyDeleteHow come your filtered comments?
ReplyDeletePlease publish contact info on Action Group by area.
ReplyDeletewe as a invester should take some action againt Le cruez rather then just giving mamorandum. We must lodge police report togather. We want so call leaders please come and explain we step to take next againts Wha Ah Leong
ReplyDeleteI'm an investor as well as a loyal viewer of this blog. I used to view this blog whenever I'm free for any updates about Lecruz. I'm very glad of what you guys have done so far.Yes, many banana man(not all) seems don't care much of the changes.Maybe they are the early birds and they also don't care about their downline at all, they just enjoy the bonus and the over-ridding.Believed me, someday they too will suffer like what we are suffering today if not worse.Yes,I do believed in the Law of Karma.
ReplyDeleteOne comment about the Anonymous17 is that he could be suffering a lot like what I'm going through or may be he does not know that whatever he put up is always there and just do not know how to click the "comments" link to view or he wants you guys to put his comment on the top of the page. If you guy being bought over, I'm sure this blog won't be around anymore.Hopefully this will not happen. So, Anonymous17, if you are sincere enough,rewrite again your comment. If not you will smell FISHY...you know what I mean! Remember all of us are the victims,we got to stay united. We are not supposed to blame those who have help us to set up this blog.
It appears that this whole thing has gone to the media by seeing a link to Sin Chew Daily...
ReplyDeleteI don't know if its a wise idea, but hopefully what has been mentioned on 3rd November can be fulfilled.
What was mention on 3rd Nov ??????????????????????????????????????? Looks like nobody KNOWS.
ReplyDeleteIt is a problem that those went for the meeting in Genting somehow did not passed the message to all their downline. I believed majority of investors still in the dark. Somehow I heard that Wijaya only said he wanted to refund us the capital but did not mention when and how.He need one month to come out with the new payment schedule,Yup! About one month then only he will come out with the payment plan but don't when he will start to pay, don't know how much and also don't know how long he will continue paying yet. I don't blame the lady for going to the media coz' many investors still did not know about the Genting Meeting until today. Why??? ...When recruiting new members - everybody and anybody are welcome to the dinner meeting But after 2nd Oct 2009 only those who are supportive to the leaders are being informed and allowed to come for the meeting. Like what being mentioned in this blog before many of those in the new committee are there for shouting " Yes", "Good" and also clapping hands lo.That's why a lot of people still in the dark.I won't be surprised some of the investors could have confronted Bukit Aman or even Interpol maybe Macau authority. I personally feels that going to the media is still too early but on the other hand 1 month for Wijaya to just come out with a payment plan is too long la!He should have pre-plan all this also ma.. like what he did in Sept...New plan you don't like; within 2 weeks can come out with another top up plan,then Sept.itself come out another website(Vtoria.com) new plan somemore.Right?
ReplyDeleteLooking at things it is now call " Friend Friend club " buddy with me tell me good things I keep you inform if not sorry you sit and do guess work.When I sign up my money and those who are your buddy different colour? Maybe they use gold bullion. Who to blame if we do guess work ? nobody because if I don't know and nobody want to talk about it I will certainly go to whoever and where ever to ask, wrong person, wrong place, wrong authority. This blog is the right place to start , put the members first not yourself as you guys have even more to loose then us. Think about it Mr Leader do not wait until more " informative " link appear and don't blame us if your detail get listed not here but out there. Can be difficult but you all have taken people money with a promise what do you expect worst still you all keep yourself inform now if you were to turn this around how would you feel? Unless you all admit that this is a scam and you are all scammer then no blame. The old lady which has invested thinking that she has made a smart choice is wrong no more discussion. Go and make hell out there. So Like Lecruz Say - Be SMART not too late.
ReplyDeleteFor the benifit of those who are unable to read (esp the non chinese) as reported in Sin Chew - can someone please explain in simple English what's the whole thing about.
ReplyDeleteAlso can we hv some info of what was discussed & the outcome of the 3rdNov meeting, please.
To put the record straight I support this Blog and MR LAT - lecruzpenang@gmail.com you have been doing a good job actually fantastically good job. I know it is sometime very frustrating dealing with people. Understandably there is no reward from running this blog , people abuse you but most of us are the good type those who follow the Que when we stop at the traffic light and a few who do not. Human Nature so I just want to give you some encouragement as nobody is doing it they just take and take until there is no more so Keep up the good work . I do not know who you are but one day we would like to know who you are at this time keep the current profile it is acceptable. What I would not like to see is the inaction as I notice nobody did sound the alarm about Nov 3. Information is the key nothing means dead for 4 days after Nov 5 there were nothing posted until Nov 9 when the Sin Chew Article broke and only one guy wrote a comment there should be an alarm sounded right after Nov 3 we are very weak. I am not questioning anything here or trying to put the blog down. So Hope you do not take this negatively I still say you did a good job continue with it be more aggressive. What say you all for Mr LAT.
ReplyDeleteThose who went for the meeting, in Genting on 3 Nov, came back no wiser. They all feel being fooled by Wijaya and gang of 8. (They were made to wait like fools in the corridor, from 8pm till 5am. Actual meeting took place in Wijaya's bed room for one hour or so around midnight!)
ReplyDeleteI wish blogger can do something to the blog, so that those want to be in loop of LECRUZ SCAM chain e-mail can be included. ie they can leave their e-mail address here and we can e-mail them the sensitive pictures, vedios and other details on LECRUZ SCAM. Those info n pictures we can't put on blog and risk the blogger get into legal tangle. This aspect of networking is missing. Someone please think to fill in this gap somehow.
Wijaya apparently gave vague answers, not commiting anything specific for anybody to be optimistic. Everybody feel,they will make away with most of the money, if possible. The fact is they ONLY FEAR OF TSUNAMI INVESTOR REACTION. They are doing all they can to buy time for the response to die down or as last resort HOODWINK US TO SIGN SOME AGREEMENT WITH WIJAYA ( probably thru "Vtoria.com" ) TO ABSOLVE LECRUZ OF RESPONSIBLITY. Wijaya will then probably declare himself bankrupt, and legally this issue is closed!
The group which went for meeting, claim tried their best, to get ONLY refund of balance capital (without interest) within next 6 months - even that Wijaya refused to commit. (He only committed to come with new schedule of payment, with August and September investors getting 50% capital refund, by end of November.Hopefully.)
His excuse was, they made hardly any money for month of August and September, due to overpayment of high divident.
So he was questioned how is he going to pay the investors? He replied, he will work hard to pay us!
Why he need to do that, taking a loss making venture of LECRUZ, and why not leave it to LECRUZ to sort out its 'own mess'? He said he is just trying to help everybody.
One member said,henceforth, he must be called Saint Senta Wijaya! not a businessman. It was too obvious for all what is going on!
From the look of things it was a well planned scam starting with Lecruz and now getting Vtoria into the picture.
ReplyDeleteWe hv no choice but to hope for the best and should consider ourselves lucky if we can get our capital back.They are in a casino business and CASINO NEVER lose it's only the general public that gets burnt.
Keep praying and hopefully the ALMIGHTY will hv mercy on us.
Looking at this we can at least partially consider this a scam. Plan for next course of action. As mention above there are now buying time and exposure is what they are now afraid 0ff. The idea of creating links to email is a good one furthermore post link to free hosting site where pictures and files can be uploaded without any legal implication to this blogs. This blog does not host any pictures but it will not be liable for posting external links. Any comments discussion are welcome.
ReplyDeleteMeeting in Genting took place with most investors not knowing it. How is this possible? This shows guilt.When taking in our investment, they gave free dinner and talks but told to bank in cash to upline account. They said 'somebody must sponsor each investor'.This a well planned scam from the start. They wanted to put the person who sponsor in trouble.
ReplyDeleteNow they have private meetings in Wijaya's bedroom, luckily not in toilet. This guys are hidding in the dark. They fear honest light of day.
Nevermind if lose our money, let's fix them for good. To hope for return of our money is of little use. IF WE FEAR OF LOSING, MORE LIKELY WE ARE TO LOSE. IF WE DARE, THEY ARE FINISHED.If Wijaya is taking the blame for Lecruz goof-up, obviously he is working for some big lady/guy in Lecruz. He is only the front man, the fall guy. Once we understand how this whole scam works, we can figure where to put the sparner to jam the wheel.Once we inflict damage, where it going to hurt most, Lecruz will likely to cut loss by repaying us. Begging and praying to them is not going to work. Hit them. Hit them hard where it is going to hurt the most.
Can somebody from the higher levels provide more detailed explanation about the latest announcement in www.lecruz.com?
ReplyDeleteWe have to fork out money again to activate membership in www.vtoria.com? And the deadline is 30th Nov 2009?
What if we refuse to migrate because we still want to hold lecruz responsible, and even if we do migrate, what security do we have?
The www.vtoria.com is the same as www.lecruz.com, albeit some cosmetic updates!
Also, the tour and product redemption costs more now? And the product redemption is done seperately, meaning we have to fork out extra money to go and collect in designated locations?
Why can't we collect them like in the past during the trip to Macau? I thought they have a boutique there which retails their product?
All looks really bogus...even if I want to belive that this all is not a scam, but the way it is being done couldn't help but raise doubts. How can they expect the investors to have confidence to sign up new members?
P/S: As an IT-savvy person, I can tell that the website(lecruz and vtoria) created is really shabby. I didn't bother at 1st, but now I think of it, if a company which handles such large amount of $$ transaction didn't even use a secure server for login database, it just doesn't make sense. E.g. normal website have prefixes http:// and in secured websites(normally you can see in online banking when you login to your account) they have prefixes of https://. Either the company is too stingy to setup that kind of security, or those who set this up knows its a scam in the 1st place and wouldn't have to bother with security...
There are too many questions left unanswered
Below are list to consider. Please start link to photos and other material which cannot be posted in this blog. Time to start next step.
ReplyDeletePart 1.
Investor Affairs and Complaints Department
Securities Commission Malaysia
3, Persiaran Bukit Kiara
Bukit Kiara
50490 Kuala Lumpur
General Line: 603-6204 8000
Tel: 603-6204 8999/8777
Fax: 603-6204 8991
E-mail: aduan@seccom.com.my
http://www.rmp.gov.my/
http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/reporting.php
http://www.cassa.org.my/home.htm
http://www.en.cap.org.my/
http://www.fomca.org.my/
Chow Kon Yeow
http://chow.blogsome.com/
Lim Kit Siang
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/
Fong Po Kuan - Chamber Of Thoughts
http://pokuan.blogsome.com/
Shahrir Samad
http://www.shahrir-umno.blogspot.com/
http://clickfraudscam.blogspot.com/
Tan Seng Giaw
http://tansenggiaw.blogspot.com/
Teresa Kok
http://teresakok.blogsome.com/
The Star Citizen's Blog
http://blog.thestar.com.my/
Consumers Association Of Penang - CAP
http://www.cap.org.my/
10 Jalan Masjid Negeri, 11600 Penang
Tel: 04 829 9511, Fax: 04 829 8109
ERA Consumer Malaysia - Education & Research Association For Consumers Malaysia
http://www.eraconsumer.org/
4 Jalan SS 1/22A, 47300 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7876 4648, Fax: 03 7873 0636
National Consumer Complaints Centre NCCC - Pudat Khidmat Aduan Pengguna Nasional
http://www.nccc.org.my/
Petaling Jaya Community Centre - PJCC
http://komuniti.virtualave.net/pjcc/
Rukun Tetangga, Jalan 17/31, 46400 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7958 1741
DAP - Democratic Action Party - Parti Tindakan Demokratik
http://dapmalaysia.org/
24 Jalan 20/9, 46300 Petaling Jaya, Selangor
Tel: 03 7957 8022, Fax: 03 7957 5718
Keadilan - Parti Keadilan Rakyat
http://www.keadilanrakyat.org/
75A Jalan Lawan Pedang 13/27, Tadisma Business Park, 40000 Shah Alam, Selangor
Tel: 03 5513 3416, Tel: 03 5512 9646
Lee Hwa Beng Service Center - State Assemblyman for Subang Jaya
http://hwabeng.org.my/
MCA - Malaysian Chinese Association
http://www.mca.org.my/
Tingkat 8, Wisma MCA, 163, Jalan Ampang, 50450 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 2161 8044
MCA Public Service And Complaint Department
Tingkat 8, Wisma MCA, 163, Jalan Ampang, 50450 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 21618044, 03 2163 2305 (Hotline)
MIC - Malaysian Indian Congress
http://www.mic.org.my/
6th Floor, Menara Manickavasagam, 1 Jalan Rahmat, 50350 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 4042 4377, Fax: 03 4042 7236
Complaints.com.my
http://www.complaints.com.my/
Consumer.com.my/
http://www.consumer.com.my/
Attorney General's Chambers of Malaysia - AG - Jabatan Peguam Negara Malaysia
http://www.agc.gov.my/
Level 1-8 Block C3, Parcel C, Federal Government Administrative Center, 62512 Putrajaya
Tel: 03 8885 5000, Fax: 03 8888 9362
Legal Aid Bureau - Biro Bantuan Guaman
http://www.bheuu.gov.my/
Jabatan Perdana Menteri
Aras 1, Blok B7, Parcel B, Pusat Pentadbiran, Kerajaan Persekutuan, 62502 Putrajaya
Tel:03 8888 1117, Fax: 03 8888 3791
Berita Harian - Bahasa Malaysia newspaper
http://www.bharian.com.my/
Balai Berita, 31 Jalan Riong, 59100 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 2282 2323 Fax: 03 2283 2425, 03 22824340, E-mail: bh@bharian.com.my
Business Times
http://www.btimes.com.my/
Balai Berita 31, Jalan Riong, 59100 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 2282 2628, Fax: 03 2282 7600, 03-22825424, E-mail: bt@nstp.com.my
China Press - Chinese newspaper
http://www.chinapress.com.my/
80, Jalan Riong, Off Jalan Bangsar, 59100 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 2282 8208
Send by snail mail anonymous or by email also anomalously they will know what to do.
ReplyDeleteI still have Part 2 and 3. Part 4 I will do some research for oversea link - Taiwan , Hong Kong , Macao , China - Interpol , got anything about the Canadian - Photo , info anything post in the link.
Do not have a link create one and post photos , memo , email , address , telephone no anything that can be attach , same mail from few hundred of us and only on one subject that will get their attention. Those feature person prepare to be film star you are going to be famous very famous.
ReplyDeleteAnyone knows what is this vtoria migration from the latest Lecruz annoucement and kind enough to share ?
ReplyDeleteMigrate from lecruz to vtoria cost you 500cp , suck you dry this is only until Nov 30 after that it is 1250 CP . Say you are silver member you get 50cp - current rate take 25 months to accumulate - 2 years and 1 month for you to accumulate the 1250 points to activate your account , after activate you start from zero. Another way to look into this is transfer your 20k from Lecruz to vtoria wait for 25 months to activate your account then hope they still around and then " victory " you start to make money. Batter forget about migration go report to Polis.
ReplyDeleteSin Chew Jit Poh - Chinese daily
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sinchew-i.com/
19 Jalan Semangat, 46200 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7958 7777, E-mail: editorial@mail.sinchew.com.my
This one for followup batter with more details and photos it can make it big big.Forget about 2 weeks , 1 month ,time is important. Everyday we delay the $$$ is being diverted , laundered , conceal and maybe taken out of the country. Details members , we need detail to expose them ,photos , email , memo please post them or link them we can print them out or add them to our mail for forwarding. Time to take action forget about hope and money back. We have once fallen into the trap and this time not to fall into another one. Stupid once no more.
Most of us have problem linking with each other although we think of doing something together. Suggest all of us leave our e-mail address at the end our comments. Can create new e-mail ID just fight this scam criminals. But do remember, the crooks will infiltrate in our mids in no time. Just keep that in mind when exchanging info with unknown person. Keep you info like address and phone number a secret. Strictly e-mail, unless you know who you are dealing with. (chaitanlee@yahoo.com)
ReplyDeleteAll of us are angry and want to report to ALL authorities at VARIOUS locations. Good. Then #001 cannot bribe any one authority and get scot free. To be effective we must do mass reporting in group of 5-20 persons. Target should be #001 and gang of 8, with their photos and any photos during presentations and Macau trips.
ReplyDeleteE-mail that report (and newspaper reports) and include youtube recording of Wijaya available in this blog, send those to all casinos in Macau and elsewhere. To hit those in casino business, tarnish their crediblity internationally.
This where to start,get Bukit Aman and Interpol involved. The final point will be the kingpin behind this scam, "Wijaya's upline",the boss himself!
We are going to make it lot be less painful for them to refund our money!!!
Yes I agree. We must join force to press Wijaya and his upline to refund the investors money in full quickly.
ReplyDeleteI would suggest that we go after LeCruz. Forget about the rest of those fish,fishmonger and VJ. All complaint to be targeted on LeCruz coz' we are investing into LeCruz. All of us must do our part complaint to as many channels as possible. Follow the link on the top right of this blog, all must complaint to Interpol.com,Macau/China Authorithy and Bukit Aman Interpol.
ReplyDeletei have the new plan to vs them.. anyone please help me to collect as much picture as you guys can to me . my email is vivoears@hotmail.com and i will make sure they wont have their ways to scam other ppl and will find all of the investor to discuss about refund.
ReplyDeleteHello! Vivoears never heard about you before suddently said you have a plan. I don't mean to be rude but how can we trust you? Unless you are JR or JB or LAT team or else you smell fishy. Well,well as long as you have posted in here, you can be traced. If you are sincere, don't worry many of us will support you.
ReplyDeleteWell everything seems like out of hand now. Dunno if we will be getting our money back.Everyday there is somthing new and useless for us to read in the Lecruz website.Hopefully by 25th we will have some fruitfull info on our returns.
ReplyDeletedoes anybody have info abt the migration to vtoria?
ReplyDeleteI still don't understand why do we need to migrate, and why do we have to pay to migrate? It should be free of charge since its suppose to compensate the investors because of the scew-up in lecruz.
Also, Mr.Wj said they will give details of the plan by end of november to help investors recover their money, but the deadline to migrate to vtoria.com is 30 Nov.
That means, like it or not, you have to migrate or else you may lose out!
Shouldn't we be provided info on what are the plans 1st then some time to decide whether to migrate?
If action is to be taken, it should be done soon as time is running out. I urge fellow uplines/leaders/representative of different groups to call for a meeting and decide a course of action.
It's my 2 cents guess that as a Lecruz investor only - no need to migrate to vtoria.Let's wait for 25th for the expected recovery plan announcement and hope for some good news.
ReplyDeleteHowever if you want to be a group leader in the new venture & hv downline then pay the 500CP to migrate.
Every cloud has it's silver lining and lets hope & pray that we too get it soonest possible.
Can u guys find out from your upline that to migrate to vtoria, we need to top-up money besides of the deduction on our CP. My upline did mentioned to me that, if i want to migrate to vtoria, they need 500CP and top-up Ringgit Malaysia around 1000 plus. They say that CP value from lecruz has drop, so that we need to top-up money. What is this all about?
ReplyDeleteMy friend this one is a scam , migration is to clean out any points you have in your Lecruz Account and for those who still want to get con top up again is like put more money into this very fast ending scheme. Now the genius who think up this scheme is trying to escape so he create this new website tell you all to migrate with unworkable condition and then later he will tell us that he has done his best we are not cooperating and because of this bye bye not my fault but your fault. So why are we wasting time talking about this subject which in the first place is unworkable one. Move on forget about migration sit down and write to your local rep or those listed agency or political person so that we can expose them. Money already cannot get back that is for sure , it is not that there is no hope or I am giving up but looking at the current situation we have to wake up and realize that this is a scam and only thing to do is to expose them. No more subject or discussion on migration , whoever is talking about this is a spammer or one of those Fu****s who has cheated us. Those Fu***** are trying to justify their existence and action not protecting us this is a scam so write and expose. Old member migrate to new one have to pay ? what the Fu** scheme is this if not a scam then tell me what the hell is this? Sorry I have to F here but are we this stupid no we are not already realize kena F some more want to talk about it you all right or you one of them?
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ReplyDeleteThe Selangor & Wilayah Persekutuan Consumer Association
1D, Bangunan SPKK, Jalan SS 9A/17, Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7877 9000, Fax: 03 7874 8097
Daily Express - Sabah English newspaper
http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/
P.O. Box 10139, 88801 Kota Kinabalu, Sabah
Tel: 088 23 8666 Fax: 088 23 8611
E-Media - NST Group's online news division
http://www.emedia.com.my/
Edge, The - Business and investment newspaper
http://www.theedgedaily.com/
E-mail: eeditor@bizedge.com
Tel: 03 7660 3838, Fax: 7660 8638
Guang Ming Daily
http://www.guangming.com.my/
19 Jalan Semangat, 46200 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7965 8888, Fax: 03 7965 8477
E-mail: gmkl@mail.guangming.com.my
75 Lebuh Katz, 10300 Penang
Tel: 04 262 2111, Fax: 04 262 1043
E-mail: editorial-pg@mail.guangming.com.my
Harian Metro - Bahasa Malaysia afternoon daily
http://www.emedia.com.my/Current_News/HM/marevamp
Balai Berita 31, Jalan Riong, 59100 Kuala Lumpur
E-mail: metro@nstp.com.my
Kwong Wah Yit Poh
http://www.kwongwah.com.my/
Malay Mail, The - English afternoon daily
http://www.mmail.com.my/
Balai Berita 31, Jalan Riong, 59100 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 2282 1002 (Malay Mail Hotline)
E-mail: malaymail@nstp.com.my (Mailbag) hotline@nstp.com.my (Malay Mail Hotline)
Malaysia Central: Online Press, English Newspapers & News Agencies From Around The World
http://www.mycen.com.my/centralworldnews.html
Malaysian Reserve, The - All Business Daily
http://www.themalaysianreserve.com/
Tel: 03 7955 0303
Malaysian Today - Sports lifestyle newspaper
http://www.malaysiantoday.com.my/
8 Jalan Sejahtera, Off Jalan Damai, 55000 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 2166 9028, Fax: 03 2166 9023
MyCen News - Aggregated Malaysian & global news via Malaysia Central
http://www.mycen.com.my/news/
MyCen PR - Aggregated press, news & media release via Malaysia Central
http://www.mycen.com.my/pr/
New Sabah Times, The
http://www.newsabahtimes.com.my/
Tel: 088 23 0055, Fax: 088 23 1155
New Straits Times, The - National English daily
http://www.nst.com.my/
Balai Berita, 31, Jalan Riong, 59100 Kuala Lumpur
E-mail: mishar@nstp.com.my (Editor)
Oriental Daily News - Chinese daily
http://www.orientaldaily.com.my/
Wisma Dang Wangi, 38, Jalan Dang Wangi, 50100 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 2691 6336, Fax: 03 269 39115
Sarawak Tribune
http://www.sarawaktribune.com.my/
Lot 231 Jalan Abell Utara, 93100 Kuching, Sarawak
Tel: 082 42 4411, Fax: 082 41 5024
Sin Chew Jit Poh - Chinese daily
http://www.sinchew-i.com/
19 Jalan Semangat, 46200 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7958 7777, E-mail: editorial@mail.sinchew.com.my
Star Newspaper, The - National English daily
http://www.thestar.com.my/
Menara Star, 15 Jalan 16/11, 46350 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7967 1388 Fax: 03 7954 2544, E-mail: editor@thestar.com.my (Letter to the Editor)
Sun Daily, The - National English daily
http://www.sun2surf.com/
6 Jalan 51/217, 406050 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03 7784 6688 Fax: 03 7783 7435, E-mail: letters@thesundaily.com (Letters to the Editor)
Tamil Nesan
http://www.tamilnesan.com.my/
28 Jalan Yew, Pudu, 55100 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03 9221 6411, Fax: 03 9221 2990
Utusan Malaysia - Bahasa Malaysia daily
http://www.utusan.com.my/
46M Jalan Lima, Off Jalan Chan Sow Lin, 55200 Kuala Lumpur
E-mail: online@utusan.com.my
Part 2 , please add Malaysiakini this one hungry for news.
Overseas one coming soon ---- Need guys who can read Chinese look up those in China & Taiwan. Hong Kong , Macao one got English one.
As expected the recovery plan as announced by Lecruz fell short of their many promises and our request to hv the topped-up capital returned soonest possible.
ReplyDeleteThis repayment has been spread over 55 months starting Jan'10 and it only leaves us wondering if these con guys will still be around till then.
Looks like we hv no choice but to proceed with our next course of action as this VJ can not be trusted. Wonder if the payouts for the other earlier months will still continue or it's considered as burnt!
There will be no payouts for December'09 and irrespective of the date of joining all payments hv been commened to 1st of the month.Also the CP conversation remains pegged at RM0.87 or HKD2
Wonder if anyone has any latest info pertaining to the investments made prior to Aug'09?
ReplyDeleteThe latest recovery plan did not touch on these payment modes and leaves us wondering if Lecruz will still continue paying back our capital with their scheduled CPx% which's peanuts while the bulk which was REP points will be R.I.P
We need to cash out all the accumulated REP points by 15thJan'10 by transfering to Mr.Wijaya and that there will be no further REP points from Jan'10
Any one can received dividend recently?
ReplyDeletei suggest that all uplines to start gather their downlines for a meeting ASAP. And consider lodging a formal complaint together to any party relevant including the police.
ReplyDeleteWe have again and again waited for Mr.WJ and lecruz to come out with an acceptable compensation or refund, but every time we have been taken a ride around the world and back to where we started. The compensation doesn't even state how much we profit from the current investment, but have to wait for such a long period just to get back the initial amount of money invested(or maybe less or none at all). Nor were we given a chance to withdraw from the investment altogether right now.
To be honest, I'd be happy even if I lose 10% of my initial investment as long as I can get back the rest of my money...
Its time we take action
I always heard many of you guys said you have lost so much money and how disappointed you are but seems like almost none of the Chinese guys have taken any action except for one Chinese lady in KL, not in any meeting before,not now and I don't think in future you will do anything, you people are just good at Bullshitting! Most of you are just part of the scam team! I respect the blogger in this blog,even I don't know who they are but at least they are doing something- blogging.
ReplyDeleteThe front line is getting too cold guys.
ReplyDeleteLooks like everyone is talking but there is no action. Can someone from the top advice the bloggers and investers what is the next step we must take.
Guys, we are only making noise and suggestions but who is going to tie the bell onto the cat???
fellow investors.
ReplyDeletewhat is the current situation?
it seems that there is no progress so far.
it is almost end of year 2009 now, and i don't think we should wait any more longer.
i hav not heard from my uplines nor any other investors. Are we going to just let them off scot-free?
There are lots of you who invested hundreds of thousand and some even millions but not going to do anything about it?
Please let us at the bottom know what is going on? Isn't it time we at least go to the authorities and bring it to light?
what can we do ?just give them run away ?
ReplyDeletecan somebody setting a date, together we go to make police report or demonstration as much ppl as possible. contact my email henrykhoo2288@gmail.com pls those leader unite all the victim
ReplyDeleteanyone here who hav the police report... pls send a copy to my email.... i will bring those report and send to MICHEAL chong (MCA). thx.. email: ronaldoallan@yahoo.com
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