Reply : Anonymous 15

Please be informed that None of the comment is filtered but we were told by our legal advisor not to reveal any personal name at this moment. Therefore we just edit any personal name that we found. 

We need more bloggers and those active in social network, forum, article writing etc. We would encourage all investors to use every resource available, get to know your group. If your upline/leader do not wish to cooperate, you should know which side they are in, just ignore them.There should be more than 90% of the investors loosing their hard earned money. FYI many action groups have been formed, joint them and contribute something. Remember action speaks louder than words, and it is not over yet, this is just the begining!

 

Anonymous 15 said...

How come your filtered comments?

October 25, 2009 5:27 PM

Anonymous 14 & sorrow victim

Anonymous 14 said...

Yes we should start our local network to show that we investor stay united so that we fight for our money for return from Le cruez.We must ask Fishmonger to explain to us what accualy happen. What happen to our money.As i know the money was send to Fishmonger , from him where the money goes he should answer to our questions.If there is no solution we must lodge police report against Fishmonger and Le Cruez

October 22, 2009 7:36 AM

sorrow victim ;( said...

i would recomend the entire team before heading to macau get the earlier memorandum signed up by all the investors as one unity /voice and to speak up all the issues mention in the latest meeting held on 20/10/2009 at penang and to be given them a lead time of 1 week for lecruz to come out with a win-win solution for both parties and strictly to refund back all the August & September investment failing with further delay i feel all of us to take next step to go ahead as for the memorandum issued earlier.

October 22, 2009 8:26 AM

JFKY said...

So far is there any updates on what is going on? It is almost 2 weeks since they last provide us with an update about the new plan.

Comments by : heart broken,Anonymous15 & Anonymous16

heart broken said...

hi, Nice to hear some guys are taking some brainstorming moves to handle the new unvaluable package redemption that will never ever get back even our capital.Im really going through a hard time since this was announced.I have invested a large amount and now I cant even recover.The next I think is to commit suicide.All my hard earn money has lost in the breeze. Im pretty sure alot of families are now suffering and having a tough time financially. God, when can we see your grace? Guys, getting a legal authority to handle this problem will might benefit us and very important that no one gets trapped in such scam future.My humble request if anybody is in the legal firm who has invested,pls come forward and give your ides how to move with this matter.Lecruz shouldn't ever just sweep our money of just like that and hand it over to someone else to run the show.When initial part they said MLM was the best marketing strategy and now they say MLM is a flop.If they think they cant cope,return back our capital. It is later up to us whether we want to invest with the other group or not.Not just throwing us out with all our money inside. I had a friend who already resigned job and now he is totally lost all out.Cant imagine how is he now.he even doesnt have the money for the wife who needs a cessarean end of this month....what a devastating time.Buddhist believe in law of KARMA--every action has has an equal reaction.For the damage they have done they have to pay for it.we investors should stay united and as said previously by other investors,get a immediate commitee from our investors with legal advisors to have a pleasant table talk with Lecruz and get things right back.(at least our capital back). Please.Please.Please.We need to be united.Please get more peolple to response to this call. Wake up dear investors. Time is running short.if we dont do it now,never ever forever.

October 22, 2009 8:42 PM

Anonymous15 said...

They had a meeting on 20.10.2009 what was the outcome. Anyupdate ?

October 22, 2009 11:02 PM

Anonymous16 said...

I like you all invested way back in Feb and up until the announcement I have never realise that it would close shop so soon. From US2.90 to HK2.00 and we are ask to be patient , give him a chance , we are all investor and so on. As I see those leders are no batter then Wijaya or Lecruz it is a scam . Wijaya is a front as back in Feb when we went to Macau Wijaya made an apperance now he is the boss. I think this wijaya and some of our Fellow Malaysian cook up this scam to take us. There were a few Fellow Malaysian which show up for our informal meeting at Venatian - 12 o clock Midnight so I thought this is still in its infancy maybe next time batter presentation. I have since erase the video I hope I can find it back and post it here for all to see. Now the 24 hero which went to Macau and came back with nothing now how long is this going to stand? They give this flimsy excuse that because of their scam it would compromise their bigger scam as an excuse to close shop , my son can script it batter what a load of rubbish. Maybe it would be batter it we go hire a private eye and dig up those behind this scam and decide what to collective do with them.

October 23, 2009 4:17 AM

Reply : Anonymous13 & heart broken

As we heard, 21 members were chosen in the new committee but half of them were those who used to stand behind during the meeting and shout  "good !" ,"Yes!" and clap hands, don't be surprised to hear that in Macau they will do the same thing and nothing more than that.Yup! We got to take action! and we got to be prepared if the unexpected happened! Write in to us for the .xml file and create a blog like this if not create your own new blog, youtube video etc. Remember not to pin-point anyone unless you have solid evident.

 

 Reply : heart broken

We sympathized what you are facing but we also like you to know that you are not alone. Our advice is Never think of giving up until you make full used of every resources that you have, stand up for your rights, make full used of the greatest tool that we have today ... the Internet!Your message will be heard throughout the whole wide world. There is still hope to recover our investment, this is not the end but it is just the beginning, its not over until we say its over,we have  not really taken any action yet! Me alone or you alone will not be able to make any different but in unity thousands of us will definitely make an impact! Get to know your group!

 

LAT

Anonymous13 said...

Just heard about 20 upline leaders will be going to Macau for negotiation with ???LECRUZ/VJ. The outcome can be anticipated!(sorry for saying this, but please proof me wrong) 1)We will not know anybody behind LECRUZ, except one Mr VJ. 2)They can promise anything,just to cool things down, but they don't have to deliver. 3) Leaders could be bought over, and anybody refuse may not be with us for long! The team doesn't have the bite of organised effort and legal documentation as suggested by ANONYMOUS 12. So let us not expect too much from the meeting in Macau. Let's be wiser and be realistic. Stop being just dependant on LECRUZ website. There is no simple honesty in them. We have to develope the network recomended to press for the demand. Shouting match and thumping the table is not going produce anything but final silence. Each downline must call the leaders to develope the network, for all to see to it that they remain accountable. If they fail, next round will be legal representation with 3 downline elected leaders (from each region); and present leaders shall act only as advisors, if needed. IF that (meeting with elected leaders) were not to materialise, we have nothing to loose going all out- via mass police report,( to trace trail of money transaction to Macau),publish the act of reporting with protesters via U-tube and international media to get attention of Macau regulatory authorities and the Macau casinos themselves. Not to forget the impact on Singapore, where LECRUZ targeting to position itself in a big way and the sentiment towards junkets is so far negative. AN EYE FOR AN EYE IS THE FINAL GAMEPLAN if all else fail. (ex-makkal sakhti)

October 22, 2009 8:27 AM

heart broken said...

hi, Nice to hear some guys are taking some brainstorming moves to handle the new unvaluable package redemption that will never ever get back even our capital.Im really going through a hard time since this was announced.I have invested a large amount and now I cant even recover.The next I think is to commit suicide.All my hard earn money has lost in the breeze. Im pretty sure alot of families are now suffering and having a tough time financially. God, when can we see your grace? Guys, getting a legal authority to handle this problem will might benefit us and very important that no one gets trapped in such scam future.My humble request if anybody is in the legal firm who has invested,pls come forward and give your ides how to move with this matter.Lecruz shouldn't ever just sweep our money of just like that and hand it over to someone else to run the show.When initial part they said MLM was the best marketing strategy and now they say MLM is a flop.If they think they cant cope,return back our capital. It is later up to us whether we want to invest with the other group or not.Not just throwing us out with all our money inside. I had a friend who already resigned job and now he is totally lost all out.Cant imagine how is he now.he even doesnt have the money for the wife who needs a cessarean end of this month....what a devastating time.Buddhist believe in law of KARMA--every action has has an equal reaction.For the damage they have done they have to pay for it.we investors should stay united and as said previously by other investors,get a immediate commitee from our investors with legal advisors to have a pleasant table talk with Lecruz and get things right back.(at least our capital back). Please.Please.Please.We need to be united.Please get more peolple to response to this call. Wake up dear investors. Time is running short.if we dont do it now,never ever forever

October 22, 2009 10:55 PM

Reply : Anonymous12

Thanks for sharing, that was a good suggestion .... Seems like most of the people have got the MEMO, anyone who need it please write in or ask from your upline. For the  back up of this blog, there are a few people who have requested for the .xml file(backup file) but we have suggested to them to just keep it for the time being, not to create havoc.  Lets give some time to the new committee, hopefully they come back with some good news.Those who know about blogging may also write in for the .xml file which you can just import into your new blog and everything will be exactly the same like this one.  Anyone can try but please not at the moment.For the time being,call your leaders and get contacts but please don't create havoc, don't pin-point anyone unless you have evidence to backup your claim. We must also respect those who have stood up for us during this critical moment. Remember almost everybody is going through a hard time now.Stay cool and just be prepared just in case..... Many of you still reluctant to write in, so far we have received less than 200 emails, come on! We have more than 8 thousand investors! Well if we have the number at least we can call up Datuk Tony for further discount....

 

 

Anonymous12 said...

Agree with you guys. Thank you for sharing. We have to stand united. But lets be prepared and encourage diverse opinions and course of action with one goal, one objective. For that we to define our objective clearly. 1) insist on orginal quantum promised by LECRUZ.( No third party, Wijaya group or otherwise.) Or pay our capital with interest rate in the same quantum they promised, depending on the time frame they take to pay us; even if they have to liquidate their company! This time we believe no website unilateral anouncements, but legal agreement with our lawyers we collectively hire (cost effective way). 2) Start your local network for each area.eg Penang Island, Seberang Jaya, Sungai Petani and Kulim,Ipoh,KL, Klang,JB ect.PLEASE CALL YOUR UP-LINE LEADERS. The so-called LEADERS should share data of e-mail and handphone numbers of investors in areas they sponsor to prove they are with us. They can compile e- mail address by 'location wise' and e mail to down lines. This will facitate formation of groups, for meaningful negotiation with LECRUZ in Macau, with 3 representatives from each location with legal advisors present.This time we must have legal document signed enmass for all represented. We will have to get local lawyers in Macau to do the paper work and stamping. If we share out the legal cost it will be economical. Those who refuse to joint will have depend on the mercy of LECRUZ website for their returns. 3) Can somebody post the copy of MEMORANDUM submited to #001 here for all to read. 4) We need to back up this blog, just in case; but best communicate thru this blog, for the sake of coherence.

October 20, 2009 9:56 AM

Reply : Anonymous11

 We are all praying hard hoping for miracle from the new committee, hopefully, a happy ending for everyone. We all knew things didn't go the way it supposed to be but we are still trying our best to make it right, sought out the best solution. The company is still around means that it still open for negotiation.We do not want to see even the smallest investor loosing their money. For the time being stay cool, stay connected, do some homework.... 

 

Anonymous11 said...

Fishmonger took us for a ride! I don't think the drop in CP rates has anything to do with the investment in Indonesia. Instead, it was a well executed scam, introduce high returns, give out impressive gifts, free tours etc. Then, announce a less than attractive scheme about two months in advance and pretend to be 'kind' to 'old time investors' by giving a one month grace (till Sept 30) to 'mop up' all liquid cash and bang!, 'close' the scheme. All these hype about a white knight trying to rescue is just that, hype! Legal option? We got to play our cards right and move in a single voice.

October 20, 2009 6:04 AM

Reply : Anonymous10

 Thanks for the sharing....

Anonymous10 said...

This is the latest suspicious event which has just unfolded. The CP withdrawal for cash is not being TT-ed from Macau or Hong Kong. Do you want to know from where the money is sent from? ha-ha! It is being deposited from an ATM in a small Public Bank branch in Johor Jaya in Johor!! How can an international company with headquarter in Canada and operations in Macau be sending money thru a local bank in Johor? Someone in this country is running this scam business! Furthermore today currency exhange rate for 2HKD is RM0.870830. The cash sent is equivalent exactly to 87 cents only. There is no decimal point in the cash withdrawal and no bank charges. This is how the scam is discovered! Whatever committee being set-up to discuss with Lecruz management or VJ is just another ploy to fool investors. It is our local people using Lecruz for cheating..........

October 20, 2009 4:49 AM

Reply :19th Oct.2009

  We don't foresee any good news from the meeting today coz' VJ is not around. Well, at this moment we can't really tell who is making money or who is loosing money what we heard is only word of mouth.Anyone can make up a story so as the leaders. The problem is that none of us are being called for the meeting, they only called a few so called supportive leaders(some leaders not supportive also being neglected). We also can't put all the blame to #001 coz' he is the only one to communicate with VJ.Why? Nobody taken the initiative to approach VJ or any Lecruz boss. Most of us are reluctant to take action and somehow hoping for miracle from #001. Your suggestion is right, we got to have our own team then contact each other. Please be reminded again and again, the purpose of this blog is to get as many contacts as possible so as to share the latest updates. All investors are also advised to backup their own Lecruz account, things is very uncertain nowadays. So far,We have more than one hundred who have email us but the number is still too small. If we unite together, thousands of us speak as one voice, it will definitely create an impact!

As for now we are still in the dark....Yup! the blind leads the blind, we are still going nowhere!Take action in a professional manner, consult professionals or at least create more blogs like this then link to each other as collect as many contacts as possible. As a reminder, don't create havoc! You will be blame by the leaders!

Alagan, we have the same feeling like you, the whole changes is just not right at all. 
Even if they fulfilled your request as suggested by Road Warrior 1CP=5HKD then ask you to sign an agreement and then they close shop in 3 months time.By then you cannot go after Lecruz anymore!


JFKY is right!That is what we supposed to do.(Please refer to JFKY comment below).

LAT

Anonymous7 said...

We understand from some "leaders" of this scheme(scam), that Mr #001 has called for a meeting of "leaders" (that he appointed) to meet at Penang island at 3pm-20/10/09,at a location that will be informed only at 2pm. This are the very people,pioneer investors,our helpless uplines, who all are (without exception)almost bankrupt due to September top-up package and stockist programme in the same month.(These "leader" are different from original 8 recruiters who invest only once, and profited thereby.) How can these victims speak for the whole group? How sure are we that will not be bought over due their predicament? They can't negotiate objectively from the point of strength for the whole group. Unless we Penang,Ipoh,KL, JB investors organise regionally. Each conduct our own meetings. Contribute say, RM500/= each investors, hire a legal advisor for each region. Then we can send our representatives with legal advisor to such meetings to negotiate on our behalf to Mr #001; later to Macau,to negotiate with LECRUZ, in the presence Mr #001 of course. Once our investment money is transfered to him as final destination before Macau, he has to remain accountable till we find a solution. This way we can come to amicable settlement, with returns as ORIGINALLY PROMISED BY LECRUZ or A REFUND WITH EQUIVALLENT INTEREST RATE as they originally promised. If fail then the next alternative. The so-called "leaders" appointed by Mr #001, are not our representatives. These upline investors should actually help organise regional grouping of investors,and let everybody take charge of our investment.This is because the uplines have all the contact datas. Otherwise, downline investors are likely to think these "leaders" as part of the scam later. You can't blame them. We see this as a part of scam strategy to pass the buck to the innocent upline investors later. LEADER is a misnomer here, LEADING-VICTIMS is more appropriate.(a reluctant "leader")

October 19, 2009 10:34 AM

JFKY said...

from the way i see it, it appears that we are being led blindly and attentions being diverted to VJ Group. With the above said meeting on 20th Oct 09 by Mr#001, and the "leaders" he appointed, I can't help but wonder if those appointed by Mr#001 are qualified to speak on all our behalf or scapegoats? I propose that we should focus our dealings with lecruz directly. The objectives: 1. To have Lecruz stick to the old referral plan payout. 2. Refund the money which was invested into lecruz to all the members which sign up in agreement with the old referral plan if they are not going to pay accordingly. So now the question is: 1. Who is capable to speak on our behalf to negotiate with lecruz? 2. We need to be able to get in contact with all members including all of those in other regions to align our objectives. 3. A few representatives acknowledged by all members from each region to go to lecruz to negotiate. 4. Somebody from the legal field to provide input on the situation and actions that can be taken. Please add in to my comments for extra inputs. We need to compile a list of our objectives, what can be done and what needs to be done, then present to all members. It is important that all are aware of the situation, everybody's goal is aligned, and they agree to the actions planned to be taken.

October 19, 2009 4:38 PM

Road_Warrior said...

There are few options remaining. 1. Give Wijaya Group 2 months to come up with a win-win plan...? 2. In the meantime, we pool all our resources to provide Wijaya group proposals that are acceptable to both parties. 3. Review result of memorandum and take follow-up action. This can run concurrently with item 1.

October 19, 2009 6:36 PM

Anonymous8 said...

YES I AGREE with "reluctant leader". LECRUZ SHOULD stick to original promised return or refund our money immediately with interest. Of course present "LEADERS" are victims themselves. They were told to explain to downlines therefore, acting as buffer to 8 Top Recruiters appointed by Lecruz. Upline leaders can only repeat what they are being told by Mr 001. Negotiation should be done by our chosen representatives with legal counsels assisting; not as what is happening till now. TIME TO CHANGE! 1) They are making us fools to fund Mr.VJ's Group, for returns below our capital. This is what this scam is all about. 2) LECRUZ should not transfer the money to third party, (commercial crime; initiate legal action in Macau). This facilitates the scam. 3)If Fishmonger and VJ treaten LECRUZ will absorb our investment in their account, challenge them to do it! That is illegal. Another commercial crime!

October 19, 2009 6:41 PM

Road Warrior said...

The HKD2 should be revised immediately. You don't have to wait until 2 months to do that. No matter how high the % is raised, the HKD2 is the deciding factor on the dividents rate. Fishmonger and VJ Group must give priority and work on this immediately and come out with a solution by end of this month. I propose the exchange rate for CPs to be revised to 5HKD.

October 19, 2009 6:42 PM

Alagan said...

Hi leaders, its high time that you people have another meeting with VJ Group and Lecruz reps in Macau. Then come up with solid answers / solutions for investers or what action to take next. Currently we are all left in limbo... and we find it difficult to answer our downline investers. God knows what can happen in the next 2 to 3 months?

October 19, 2009 6:50 PM

Anonymous9 said...

I'm one of the investor of this plan. As what i was told, the reason behind the downfall of the plan is that the company had invested in a casino in Indonesia. Alot of money had been dumped into it which cause the company to have insufficient fund to pay to their investor. One thing that i don't understand about the payout is that it divided into CP and REP. Can somebody explain to me what is REP? Someone told me that REP is the share dividen of the Indonesia Casino that gonna open next year. Is it true? If anybody is planning to go to macau this month, please do keep us update about the situation of the company ie. are they going to close down?

October 19, 2009 8:28 PM